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الاسم الحقيقي للاله لدى اليهود مفقود و مجهول و اسم يهوه هو اسم لاله وثني بابلي و قد ناقشت احد عبدة الخروف في منتدى فرنسي و كان جوابي كالتالي
YAHWEH EST DIEU PAÏEN BABYLONIEN UTILISÉ a ÊTRE ADORÉ LONGTEMPS au TEMPS DE L'ISRAËL.
Friedrich Delitzsch a apporté dans le préavis trois tablettes, de l'âge de la première dynastie de Babylone, dans laquelle il a lu les noms Ya- a'-ve-ilu, Ya-ve-ilu et Ya-u-um-ilu ("Yahweh est Dieu") et qu'il a considéré comme la preuve concluante qu'Yahweh était connu dans Babylonia avant 2000 A.C .; il était Dieu des envahisseurs sémites dans la deuxième vague de migration qui était d'après Winckler et Delitzsch,du RESTE nord Sémitique Nord (Canaanites, dans le sens linguistique). [56]
Nous devrions ainsi avoir dans l'évidence de tablettes de la vénération d'Yahweh parmi les Sémites Occidentaux à la fois longtemps avant la montée de l'Israël. La lecture des noms est, pourtant, extrêmement incertaine, ne pas dire improbable et les inférences extensives tirées d'eux ne portent aucune conviction. [57]
Dans une tablette attribuée au 14ème siècle B.C. que Sellin trouvés au cours de ses excavations à dit Ta'annuk (la ville Taanach de l'A.T.) un nom se produit qui peut être lu Ahi-Yawi (équivalent à Ahijah hébraïque); [58] si la lecture être correct, cela montrerait qu'Yahweh a été vénéré dans la Palestine Centrale avant la conquête israélite. La genèse 14:17 décrit une réunion entre Melchizedek le roi/prêtre de Salem et d'Abaraham. Ces deux figures de pré-conquête sont décrites comme le fait de vénérer même Dieu le Plus haut plus tard identifié comme Yahweh.
. "… la vraie prononciation vraie de YHWH est complètement perdue."
The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Language,
David Crystal, pg. 9, Cambridge University
Press, Cambridge.
2. "La vraie prononciation vraie de ce nom par lequel Dieu était connu aux Hébreux, a été perdu" .
The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, pg. 781,
Ed. Merrill Unger, Moody Press, Chicago,
1988.
3. "Ce nom dans Yahweh maintenant prononcé par les savants; la vrai prononciation du nom a été perdue pendant Judaïsme quand une peur superstitieuse a empêché son énonciation.">
Dictionary of the Bible, pg. 316, ed. John
McKenzie, Macmillan Co, New York,
1965.
CONCLUSION: . La prononciation originale de YHWH est perdue et a été perdue pour beaucoup de siècles.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ COMMENT EST-CE QUE LA PRONONCIATION EST VENUE ÊTRE? A. "La forme Yahweh est un essai intellectuel de la reconstruction
The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Language,
David Crystal, pg. 9, Cambridge University
Press, Cambridge.
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The true and original pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton is an elusive historical detail. The lack of any certainty in nailing down an exact form of pronunciation for this ancient name baffles many scholars.
A few, especially Jewish scholars, are loth to admit they have lost the correct pronunciation of the name of their God.
Of sacred name people, few are willing to show any degree of uncertain as to what they call "the original and true" pronunciation of the name. After all, getting the one and only original pronunciation of the name is the very essence of their sacred name doctrine.
To admit that one does not know with certainty how the name was originally pronounced is tantamount to admitting the doctrine of a Hebrew sacred name is just a farce. THE ORIGINAL PRONUNCIATION
OF YHWH IS LOST
1. "…the true pronunciation of YHWH is quite lost."
The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Language,
David Crystal, pg. 9, Cambridge University
Press, Cambridge. 2. "The true pronunciation of this name, by which God was known to the Hebrews, has been entirely lost."
The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, pg. 781,
Ed. Merrill Unger, Moody Press, Chicago,
1988.
3. "This name in now pronounced Yahweh by scholars; the true pronunciation of the name was lost during Judaism when a superstitious fear prevented its enunciation."
Dictionary of the Bible, pg. 316, ed. John
McKenzie, Macmillan Co, New York,
1965.
4. "The true pronunciation of the name YHWH was never lost. Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced 'Yahweh.' ”
Encyclopedia Judaica, pg. 680, The
Macmillan Co., New York, 1971.
5. "Early writers such as Clement of Alexandria in the 2nd century, had used a form like Yahweh, and this pronunciation of the tetragrammaton was never really lost."
The New Encyclopedia Britannica, pg. 804,
Encyclopedia Britannica inc., Chicago,
1987.
CONCLUSION:
1. The original pronunciation of YHWH is lost and has been lost for many centuries.
2. However, the pronunciation espoused by Samaritans and early Catholic writers "was never really lost."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ HOW DID THE PRONUNCIATION COME TO BE?
A. "The form Yahweh is a scholarly attempt at reconstruction"
The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Language,
David Crystal, pg. 9, Cambridge University
Press, Cambridge.
B. "Modern scholars believe the approximate pronunciation was 'Yahweh.' "
The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, pg.
409, Abingdon Publishing Co. Nashville.
C. "The form Yahweh is here adopted as particularly the best. The only competing form would be Yehweh…"
J. B. Rotherham, The Emphasized Bible,
Introduction pg. 22, The Standard
Publishing Co., Cincinnati, 1916.
CONCLUSION:
1. The scholars are guessing.
2. Sacred name teachers are also guessing at a way to pronounce the name.
3. While we must not doubt their sincerity, they are only guessing.
4. Such lack of facts cannot be the basis for a saving faith and holds no place in the certified gospel.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ HISTORICALLY THE PRONUNCIATION YAHWEH
IS DEPENDENT ON:
A. Clement of Alexandria (3rd Century AD) says the Jews said Iaoue – EE-A-OU-E.
B. Egyptian magic papyri (late 3rd Century AD) has Iabe – E-A-VE.
C. Theodoret of Cyprus (5th Century AD) said the Samaritans of his time spoke Iabe – E-A-VE and Iabia – E-A-VY
D. Gilbert Genebrard, 16th Century (aka Genebrardus) professor of Hebrew at the College Royal and Archbishop of Aix was likely the first to suggest the pronunciation Yahweh.
E. Modern Samaritan priests (19th Century) pronounce Yahweh or Yahwa.
CONCLUSION:
1. Secular religious scholars stake their reputations as scholars on guessing at a pronunciation of the name based on evidence gleaned from early Roman Catholic scholars, from Egyptian magicians, from 2nd Century Samaritans, and others.
Gilbert Genebrard, a French Hebrew scholar and Archbishop of Aix, seems to have been first scholar to advance the pronunciation Yahweh as an acceptable possibility. Other and more modern scholars have accepted Yahweh as a workably pronunciation and agreed upon it by use.
2. The converts to the sacred name doctrine are willing to stake the eternal salvation of their souls on the guessing of these men.
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