د. نيو
2010-10-25, 07:53 PM
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
وقعت بالصدفه أثناء بحثى فى موضوع ما على هذه الفقره من رسالة بولس الثانية لأهل كورنثوس:
11: 25 ثلاث مرات ضربت بالعصي مرة رجمت ثلاث مرات انكسرت بي السفينة ليلا و نهارا قضيت في العمق
و إليكم اخوتي و أخواتي الأعزاء بيانا لهذا العدد من عشرون نسخه إنجليزية. ستجدون أن عشر نسخ تذهب لمعنى انه بقي يوما و ليلة فى الأعماق و بتفاوت كما سترون فى التأكيد على هذا المعنى. بينما ثمان نسخ تفيد انه مجرد بقى فى البحر و هذا هو الأقرب للمنطق و العقل. بينما بقي اثنان ذوا معنى غامض أو محاولة فاشلة لتدارك الأمر. و إليكم بيان هذه النسخ:
1- النسخ التي تفيد العمق:pppo
American Standard Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day have I been in the deep;
Darby Translation
25Thrice have I been scourged, once I have been stoned, three times I have suffered shipwreck, a night and day I passed in the deep:
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition.
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I was in the depth of the sea.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. I have spent a night and a day in the depths of the sea.
King James Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
New American Standard Bible
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep.
New King James Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned; three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I have been in the deep;
The Message
25beaten by Roman rods three times, pummeled with rocks once. I've been shipwrecked three times, and immersed in the open sea for a night and a day.
Wycliffe New Testament
25thrice I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I was at ship-break, a night and a day I was in the deepness of the sea;
Young's Literal Translation
25thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice was I shipwrecked, a night and a day in the deep I have passed;
2- النسخ التي لا تفيد انه كان فى العمق:21_23::21_23:@..
Contemporary English Version
25Three times the Romans beat me with a big stick, and once my enemies stoned me. I have been shipwrecked three times, and I even had to spend a night and a day in the sea.
English Standard Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea;
New International Reader's Version
25Three times I was beaten with sticks. Once they tried to kill me by throwing stones at me. Three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea.
New International Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
New International Version - UK
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
New Life Version
25Three times they beat me with sticks. One time they threw stones at me. Three times I was on ships that were wrecked. I spent a day and a night in the water.
New Living Translation
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea.
Today's New International Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
3- النسخ الغامضة المعنى:
21st Century King James Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned; thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day adrift in the deep;
Amplified Bible
25Three times I have been beaten with rods; once I was stoned. Three times I have been aboard a ship wrecked at sea; a [whole] night and a day I have spent [adrift] on the deep;
لاحظوا اخوتي أن الثلاث نسخ للملك جيمس (و هي النسخة الأشهر فى عالم الكتاب المقدس) بها اثنان تفيدا بأنه بقى فى العمق بينما الثالثة حاولوا أن يكحلوها فأعموها. فهذه النسخة حاولوا أن يقوموا المعنى فوضعوا كلمة adrift (و تعنى طاف من غير مرساة) قبل "in the deep" فأصبح المعنى أكثر تشويها و أصبحت الترجمه "و طاف فى العمق" و طبعا الجمله غير منطقية على الأطلاق. أما فى نسخة "Amplified Bible" وضعوا هذه الكلمة بين أقواس و غيروا in (فى) إلى on (و التي تفيد "على" كما تفيد "فى" أو "عند") لكنهم تقريبا لم يجرؤا على تغيير كلمة the deep (العمق).
يا تري يا هل تري كيف استطاع ان يتحمل ليله و نهارها فى العمق؟
لاحظوا معي أن أول فقرة فى هذا الأصحاح هي:
11: 1 ليتكم تحتملون غباوتي قليلا بل انتم محتملي
مره ثانية من يا ترى يا هل ترى من كان الغبي الملقي ام المتلقى؟
ي يوما و ليلة فى الأعماق و بتفاوت كما سترون فى التأكيد على هذا المعنى. بينما ثمان نسخ تفيد انه مجرد بقى فى البحر و هذا هو الأقرب للمنطق و العقل. بينما بقي اثنان ذوا معنى غامض أو محاولة فاشلة لتدارك الأمر. و إليكم بيان هذه النسخ:
1- النسخ التي تفيد العمق:
American Standard Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day have I been in the deep;
Darby Translation
25Thrice have I been scourged, once I have been stoned, three times I have suffered shipwreck, a night and day I passed in the deep:
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition.
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I was in the depth of the sea.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. I have spent a night and a day in the depths of the sea.
King James Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
New American Standard Bible
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep.
New King James Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned; three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I have been in the deep;
The Message
25beaten by Roman rods three times, pummeled with rocks once. I've been shipwrecked three times, and immersed in the open sea for a night and a day.
Wycliffe New Testament
25thrice I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I was at ship-break, a night and a day I was in the deepness of the sea;
Young's Literal Translation
25thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice was I shipwrecked, a night and a day in the deep I have passed;
2- النسخ التي لا تفيد انه كان فى العمق:21_23::Fun(1):
Contemporary English Version
25Three times the Romans beat me with a big stick, and once my enemies stoned me. I have been shipwrecked three times, and I even had to spend a night and a day in the sea.
English Standard Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea;
New International Reader's Version
25Three times I was beaten with sticks. Once they tried to kill me by throwing stones at me. Three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea.
New International Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
New International Version - UK
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
New Life Version
25Three times they beat me with sticks. One time they threw stones at me. Three times I was on ships that were wrecked. I spent a day and a night in the water.
New Living Translation
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea.
Today's New International Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
3- النسخ الغامضة المعنى:
21st Century King James Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned; thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day adrift in the deep;
Amplified Bible
25Three times I have been beaten with rods; once I was stoned. Three times I have been aboard a ship wrecked at sea; a [whole] night and a day I have spent [adrift] on the deep;
لاحظوا اخوتي أن الثلاث نسخ للملك جيمس (و هي النسخة الأشهر فى عالم الكتاب المقدس) بها اثنان تفيدا بأنه بقى فى العمق بينما الثالثة حاولوا أن يكحلوها فأعموها. فهذه النسخة حاولوا أن يقوموا المعنى فوضعوا كلمة adrift (و تعنى طاف من غير مرساة) قبل "in the deep" فأصبح المعنى أكثر تشويها و أصبحت الترجمه "و طاف فى العمق" و طبعا الجمله غير منطقية على الأطلاق. أما فى نسخة "Amplified Bible" وضعوا هذه الكلمة بين أقواس و غيروا in (فى) إلى on (و التي تفيد "على" كما تفيد "فى" أو "عند") لكنهم تقريبا لم يجرؤا على تغيير كلمة the deep (العمق).
يا تري يا هل تري كيف استطاع ان يتحمل ليله و نهارها فى العمق؟ :6_169:
لاحظوا معي أن أول فقرة فى هذا الأصحاح هي:
11: 1 ليتكم تحتملون غباوتي قليلا بل انتم محتملي
مره ثانية من يا ترى يا هل ترى من كان الغبي الملقي ام المتلقى؟:21_180:
بالعربية تلاعبوا أيضا"
فهنا سميث فان دايك
( 2 كورنثوس 11 : 25ثَلاَثَ مَرَّاتٍ ضُرِبْتُ بِالْعِصِيِّ. مَرَّةً رُجِمْتُ. ثَلاَثَ مَرَّاتٍ انْكَسَرَتْ بِيَ السَّفِينَةُ. لَيْلاً وَنَهَاراً قَضَيْتُ فِي الْعُمْقِ.)
العربية المشتركة ( 2 كورنثوس 11 : 25 وضرَبَني الرُّومانيُّونَ بِالعِصِيِّ ثلاثَ مَرّاتٍ، ورَجَمَني النّاس ُ مَرَّةً واحدةً، وانكسَرَتْ بيَ السَّفينَةُ ثلاثَ مَرّاتٍ، وقَضَيتُ نَهارًا ولَيلَةً في عَرْضِ البَحر)
الكاثوليكية ( 2 كورنثوس 11 : 25 ضُرِبتُ بِالعِصِيِّ ثَلاثَ مَرَّات، رُجِمتُ مَرَّةً واحِدَة. اِنكَسَرَت بِيَ السَّفينةُ ثَلاثَ مَرَّات، قَضَيتُ لَيلَةً ونَهارًا في عُرْضِ البَحْر)
الحياة ( ( 2 كورنثوس 11 : 25 ضُرِبْتُ بِالْعِصِيِّ ثَلاَثَ مَرَّاتٍ. رُجِمْتُ بِالْحِجَارَةِ مَرَّةً. تَحَطَّمَتْ بِيَ السَّفِينَةُ ثَلاَثَ مَرَّاتٍ. قَضَّيْتُ فِي عَرْضِ الْبَحْرِ يَوْماً بِنَهَارِهِ وَلَيْلِهِ. )
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منقول عن الاستاذ ياسر جبر و الاخ:نور الدين زنكى
وقعت بالصدفه أثناء بحثى فى موضوع ما على هذه الفقره من رسالة بولس الثانية لأهل كورنثوس:
11: 25 ثلاث مرات ضربت بالعصي مرة رجمت ثلاث مرات انكسرت بي السفينة ليلا و نهارا قضيت في العمق
و إليكم اخوتي و أخواتي الأعزاء بيانا لهذا العدد من عشرون نسخه إنجليزية. ستجدون أن عشر نسخ تذهب لمعنى انه بقي يوما و ليلة فى الأعماق و بتفاوت كما سترون فى التأكيد على هذا المعنى. بينما ثمان نسخ تفيد انه مجرد بقى فى البحر و هذا هو الأقرب للمنطق و العقل. بينما بقي اثنان ذوا معنى غامض أو محاولة فاشلة لتدارك الأمر. و إليكم بيان هذه النسخ:
1- النسخ التي تفيد العمق:pppo
American Standard Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day have I been in the deep;
Darby Translation
25Thrice have I been scourged, once I have been stoned, three times I have suffered shipwreck, a night and day I passed in the deep:
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition.
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I was in the depth of the sea.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. I have spent a night and a day in the depths of the sea.
King James Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
New American Standard Bible
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep.
New King James Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned; three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I have been in the deep;
The Message
25beaten by Roman rods three times, pummeled with rocks once. I've been shipwrecked three times, and immersed in the open sea for a night and a day.
Wycliffe New Testament
25thrice I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I was at ship-break, a night and a day I was in the deepness of the sea;
Young's Literal Translation
25thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice was I shipwrecked, a night and a day in the deep I have passed;
2- النسخ التي لا تفيد انه كان فى العمق:21_23::21_23:@..
Contemporary English Version
25Three times the Romans beat me with a big stick, and once my enemies stoned me. I have been shipwrecked three times, and I even had to spend a night and a day in the sea.
English Standard Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea;
New International Reader's Version
25Three times I was beaten with sticks. Once they tried to kill me by throwing stones at me. Three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea.
New International Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
New International Version - UK
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
New Life Version
25Three times they beat me with sticks. One time they threw stones at me. Three times I was on ships that were wrecked. I spent a day and a night in the water.
New Living Translation
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea.
Today's New International Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
3- النسخ الغامضة المعنى:
21st Century King James Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned; thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day adrift in the deep;
Amplified Bible
25Three times I have been beaten with rods; once I was stoned. Three times I have been aboard a ship wrecked at sea; a [whole] night and a day I have spent [adrift] on the deep;
لاحظوا اخوتي أن الثلاث نسخ للملك جيمس (و هي النسخة الأشهر فى عالم الكتاب المقدس) بها اثنان تفيدا بأنه بقى فى العمق بينما الثالثة حاولوا أن يكحلوها فأعموها. فهذه النسخة حاولوا أن يقوموا المعنى فوضعوا كلمة adrift (و تعنى طاف من غير مرساة) قبل "in the deep" فأصبح المعنى أكثر تشويها و أصبحت الترجمه "و طاف فى العمق" و طبعا الجمله غير منطقية على الأطلاق. أما فى نسخة "Amplified Bible" وضعوا هذه الكلمة بين أقواس و غيروا in (فى) إلى on (و التي تفيد "على" كما تفيد "فى" أو "عند") لكنهم تقريبا لم يجرؤا على تغيير كلمة the deep (العمق).
يا تري يا هل تري كيف استطاع ان يتحمل ليله و نهارها فى العمق؟
لاحظوا معي أن أول فقرة فى هذا الأصحاح هي:
11: 1 ليتكم تحتملون غباوتي قليلا بل انتم محتملي
مره ثانية من يا ترى يا هل ترى من كان الغبي الملقي ام المتلقى؟
ي يوما و ليلة فى الأعماق و بتفاوت كما سترون فى التأكيد على هذا المعنى. بينما ثمان نسخ تفيد انه مجرد بقى فى البحر و هذا هو الأقرب للمنطق و العقل. بينما بقي اثنان ذوا معنى غامض أو محاولة فاشلة لتدارك الأمر. و إليكم بيان هذه النسخ:
1- النسخ التي تفيد العمق:
American Standard Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day have I been in the deep;
Darby Translation
25Thrice have I been scourged, once I have been stoned, three times I have suffered shipwreck, a night and day I passed in the deep:
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition.
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I was in the depth of the sea.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. I have spent a night and a day in the depths of the sea.
King James Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
New American Standard Bible
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep.
New King James Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned; three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I have been in the deep;
The Message
25beaten by Roman rods three times, pummeled with rocks once. I've been shipwrecked three times, and immersed in the open sea for a night and a day.
Wycliffe New Testament
25thrice I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I was at ship-break, a night and a day I was in the deepness of the sea;
Young's Literal Translation
25thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice was I shipwrecked, a night and a day in the deep I have passed;
2- النسخ التي لا تفيد انه كان فى العمق:21_23::Fun(1):
Contemporary English Version
25Three times the Romans beat me with a big stick, and once my enemies stoned me. I have been shipwrecked three times, and I even had to spend a night and a day in the sea.
English Standard Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea;
New International Reader's Version
25Three times I was beaten with sticks. Once they tried to kill me by throwing stones at me. Three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea.
New International Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
New International Version - UK
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
New Life Version
25Three times they beat me with sticks. One time they threw stones at me. Three times I was on ships that were wrecked. I spent a day and a night in the water.
New Living Translation
25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea.
Today's New International Version
25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea,
3- النسخ الغامضة المعنى:
21st Century King James Version
25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned; thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day adrift in the deep;
Amplified Bible
25Three times I have been beaten with rods; once I was stoned. Three times I have been aboard a ship wrecked at sea; a [whole] night and a day I have spent [adrift] on the deep;
لاحظوا اخوتي أن الثلاث نسخ للملك جيمس (و هي النسخة الأشهر فى عالم الكتاب المقدس) بها اثنان تفيدا بأنه بقى فى العمق بينما الثالثة حاولوا أن يكحلوها فأعموها. فهذه النسخة حاولوا أن يقوموا المعنى فوضعوا كلمة adrift (و تعنى طاف من غير مرساة) قبل "in the deep" فأصبح المعنى أكثر تشويها و أصبحت الترجمه "و طاف فى العمق" و طبعا الجمله غير منطقية على الأطلاق. أما فى نسخة "Amplified Bible" وضعوا هذه الكلمة بين أقواس و غيروا in (فى) إلى on (و التي تفيد "على" كما تفيد "فى" أو "عند") لكنهم تقريبا لم يجرؤا على تغيير كلمة the deep (العمق).
يا تري يا هل تري كيف استطاع ان يتحمل ليله و نهارها فى العمق؟ :6_169:
لاحظوا معي أن أول فقرة فى هذا الأصحاح هي:
11: 1 ليتكم تحتملون غباوتي قليلا بل انتم محتملي
مره ثانية من يا ترى يا هل ترى من كان الغبي الملقي ام المتلقى؟:21_180:
بالعربية تلاعبوا أيضا"
فهنا سميث فان دايك
( 2 كورنثوس 11 : 25ثَلاَثَ مَرَّاتٍ ضُرِبْتُ بِالْعِصِيِّ. مَرَّةً رُجِمْتُ. ثَلاَثَ مَرَّاتٍ انْكَسَرَتْ بِيَ السَّفِينَةُ. لَيْلاً وَنَهَاراً قَضَيْتُ فِي الْعُمْقِ.)
العربية المشتركة ( 2 كورنثوس 11 : 25 وضرَبَني الرُّومانيُّونَ بِالعِصِيِّ ثلاثَ مَرّاتٍ، ورَجَمَني النّاس ُ مَرَّةً واحدةً، وانكسَرَتْ بيَ السَّفينَةُ ثلاثَ مَرّاتٍ، وقَضَيتُ نَهارًا ولَيلَةً في عَرْضِ البَحر)
الكاثوليكية ( 2 كورنثوس 11 : 25 ضُرِبتُ بِالعِصِيِّ ثَلاثَ مَرَّات، رُجِمتُ مَرَّةً واحِدَة. اِنكَسَرَت بِيَ السَّفينةُ ثَلاثَ مَرَّات، قَضَيتُ لَيلَةً ونَهارًا في عُرْضِ البَحْر)
الحياة ( ( 2 كورنثوس 11 : 25 ضُرِبْتُ بِالْعِصِيِّ ثَلاَثَ مَرَّاتٍ. رُجِمْتُ بِالْحِجَارَةِ مَرَّةً. تَحَطَّمَتْ بِيَ السَّفِينَةُ ثَلاَثَ مَرَّاتٍ. قَضَّيْتُ فِي عَرْضِ الْبَحْرِ يَوْماً بِنَهَارِهِ وَلَيْلِهِ. )
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