الرد على : اقتباس القران من الهاجادا

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متى اكتمل نصها ؟؟؟

المضحك جداا ... ان الهاجادا التى يدعى عابد الصليب ان القران اخذ منها ... اكتمل نصها تماما فى القرن الثالث عشر الميلادى ... .. يعنى بعد الإسلام ب 600 سنة ...!!!


جاء فى المحيط الجامع ......

إن الادب الاخباري (هاغاده) الذي يمتدّ من زمن المشناة إلى القرن الثالث عشر، مليء بالأقوال المأثورة، والتعاليم الاخلاقيّة، والمواعظ والاقاصيص والحكايات

http://www.##############/dictionary....cc509a6f75849b


فالهاجادا ليست مصدر ثابت المحتوى بل كان مصدر متجدد ...........

my people passover haggadah - pg 5

فهى مرت بمراحل كثيرة من سنة 170 ميلادية الى القرن الثالث العشر ....

ومرت بتعديلات خلال هذة المدة .........

The New Jewish encyclopedia - By David Bridger, Samuel Wolk - pg 183

Different Midrashim were written down at different times, over a period of almost a thousand years, from 300 - 1200 CE.

http://www.yashanet.com/studies/juda...rs/midrash.htm

The oldest complete Haggadah dates from the 10th century, and Haggadot were first printed in the 15th century. Around the same time, a few Passover songs and additional #### were appended to the Haggadah, though the rest of the #### did not undergo much change. It is still common to see these songs at the end of a Haggadah.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-haggadah.htm



فبداية الهاجادا فى سنة 170 ميلادية ( فترة التنام ) .... Tanaaim Period
وبعد ذلك زاد محتواها فى فى عصر الامورايم ( 500 بعد الميلاد )
....... Amoraim Period. ............

ولكن الهاجادا لم تاخذ شكلها النهائى والكامل الا فى القرن العاشر فى بابل
بواسطة كبار حاخامات اليهود ... الجونيم ( The Geonim) ......

Although the Passover Haggadah was assembled in Talmudic times, its content continued to be fluid. It was only in the period of the great rabbis (or "Geonim" in Hebrew) who studied in the Sura and Pumbedita academies in Babylonia in the 9th and 10th centuries C.E., that a stable form of the Passover Haggadah #### was established.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/passove...rhaggadah.html




Haggadah dates back to the era of the Mishnaic and the Talmudic, somewhere around 200 CE to 500 CE. However, a stable version of the script was formed only during the 9th and the 10th centuries CE.


http://festivals.iloveindia.com/passover/haggadah.html

Although the Passover Haggadah was formed in Talmudic times, its contents changed over time. The contents of the Passover Haggadah only became stable in the 9th and 10th centuries when the great rabbis (also known in Hebrew as the "Geonim") in the Jewish academies of learning in Babylonia,

http://4passover.tripod.com/haggadah.html

Although the Passover Haggadah was assembled
in Talmudic times, its content seemed to be fluid. Apparently, it was during the "Gaonim" period (9th and 10th centuries C.E.) that a stable
#### form emerged. The earliest, completed Haggadah ####, according to one internet source, appeared in the Siddur of Rav Saadiah Gaon of the Sura Academy (Babylonia, 10th century C.E.)

http://osdir.com/ml/culture.religion.../msg00436.html

7th Century C.E. - 8th Century C.E.: The Geonim (the leaders of the Jewish academies of learning in Sura and Pumbeditia, Babylonia, now Iraq) compile the version of the Haggadah as it is known today.

http://www.algemeiner.com/generic.asp?id=5351

The earliest extant written haggadah #### is a relatively complete fragment datable to 8th or 9th-cent

ury

http://jhom.com/calendar/nisan/history.html

7th Century C.E. - 8th Century C.E.: The Geonim (the leaders of the Jewish academies of learning in Sura and Pumbeditia, Babylonia, now Iraq) compile the version of the Haggadah as it is known today.

http://www.algemeiner.com/generic.asp?id=5351


وهناك من دُون بالكامل فى القرن العاشر .......


هاغاده براشيت
مدراش مواعظي حول تك. يتألّف من 24 فصلاً قُسمت إلى ثلاثة أقسام حسب دورة القراءات على ثلاث سنوات. يبدأ كل فصل بمدراش تفسيري حول آية من نصّ البنتاتوكس الاسبوعيّ. ثم يأتي تفسير آية من قراءة الأنبياء، ثم من المزامير. قد يكون النص دوِّن في القرن العاشر. ومرجع مضمونه هو مدراش تنحومة (النسخة القديمة).

http://www.##############/dictionary....3e19c7f2529f2b


وفى القرن الثالث عشر حدثت اضافات ايضا ......

The Union Haggadah - pg 88,98

راجع ايضا .....

http://www.sacred-####s.com/jud/uh/uh28.htm


وقد ظهرت لأول مرة فى كتاب منفصل فى القرن الثالث عشر

13th Century C.E.: the first Haggadah appears as a separate volume/book (earlier versions of the Haggadah were appended to the Siddur, or Jewish prayer book).

http://www.algemeiner.com/generic.asp?id=5351


وأقدم مخطوطاتها تعود الى القرن الثالث عشر .......

The Shengold Jewish Encyclopedia - pg 100

راجع ايضا

http://www.library.yale.edu/judaica/.../exhibit1.html


وحتى لو كانت قبل ذلك فلن تكون باى حال من الاحوال ...... أقدم من مخطوطات العهد القديم ( القرن العاشر .... )


يتبع .........