jesus is not God in the bible

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

أشكرك أختى محبة الرحمن
وأشكرك شكرا جزيلا عظيما...
فلقد سقيتينى من بعد ظمأى لتلك الردود...
فالمشكلة ليست عندى...
بل عند المسلمين الجدد الذين يروا تلك المناقشة
وقد نقلت موضوعك كلها هناك وعرضته على مسلمين جدد ونصارى الغرب
وهناك بقية ردود سأعرضها بإذن الله عليكى
وأشكر سعة صدرك وتحملك
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جزاكى الله خيرا

بارك الله فيك أخي في الله و جزاك الله خيراً
و فضلاً أخي في الله برجاء عدم نقل أي رد حتى انتهي من موضوعي
و انا مازلت لم انتهي من الرد على الفقرة التي أوردتها
بالإضافة لضغوط أرهقتني هذه الفترة و ما استطيع المشاركة بسببها في حوارات

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Who is it that takes away the sins of the world? In that same book of John, John the Baptist says: John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Now how could a sinful person take away sin? No, this person had to be sinless. This person had to be God alone Who could fulfill His Law.

Very nice
let us check together the bible if Jesus was really sinless according to it

now let me ask you what do you call the following sins of Jesus in the bible


1- Treating his mother in a bad way
John 2 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...2&version=NASB
3When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, "They have no wine."

4And Jesus said to her, " Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come."

2- Killing 2000 pig without reason
Mark 5 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NASB
11Now there was a large herd of swine feeding nearby on the mountain.

12The demons implored Him, saying, "Send us into the swine so that we may enter them."

13Jesus gave them permission. And coming out, the unclean spirits entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea, about two thousand of them; and they were drowned in the sea.

to be continued

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more and more sins of Jesus in the bible



3- He treated a women very badly while she was asking him for help
Mark 7 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...7&version=NASB
26Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter.

27And He was saying to her, "Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

4- Saying to peter (Disciple of Jesus) that he is Satan
33But turning around and seeing His disciples, He rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind Me, Satan; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."


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5- Christ come to cast fire upon earth according to bible

Christ Divides Men
49"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!

50"But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!

51" Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division;

52for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.

53"They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."

6- Jesus stole a donkey and colt
Matthew 21 -New American Standard Bible
2saying to them, "Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied there and a colt with her; untie them and bring them to Me.

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7- Insulting people
Luke 11-New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...11&version=NIV
39Then the Lord said to him, "Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?

8- He asked his disciples not to give peace to those who do not deserve
Matthew 10 -New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0&version=NASB

13"If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace.

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جزاكى الله خيرا وجعله فى ميزان حسناتك

وأعانك الله علينا وعليهم
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لكن أتقصدين ألا أنقل الردود الآن....أى بعد ما تفرغى منهم..؟؟

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جزاكى الله خيرا وجعله فى ميزان حسناتك

وأعانك الله علينا وعليهم
^_^
لكن أتقصدين ألا أنقل الردود الآن....أى بعد ما تفرغى منهم..؟؟

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

جزانا و إياكم خيراُ أخي الفاضل و ليس الموضوع يا أخي أن تقول أعانك الله علينا فأنا في الخدمة و لكن توفيت أغلى الناس لقلبي من فترة قصيرة و صدقاً ما أحبذ دخول حوارات أو الوعود بأي شيء

و ما أقصده أنا أن لا تنقل المزيد من ردود الأخوة عليك فانا أجيبك رغم أن موضوعي لم ينتهي و لاحظ أخي في الله للرد على ما ذكرته و تفنيده تماماً كم تشتت ترابط الموضوع و لذلك أرجوك أن لا تطلب مني أن أجيب على أي تعليق قبل أن أنهي موضوعي
فموضوعي طويل و يحتاج وقت لإنهائه و لكن عند انتهائه بإذن الله ستجد فيه ردود على كل حجة تعرض عليك بعون الله

و جزاك الله خيراً
و السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

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9- He wanted to slay his enemies in front of him

Luke 19 - New American Standard Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NASB

27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."

10- Jesus asked his disciples to use worldly wealth to gain friends

Luke 16 - New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...16&version=NIV
9I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

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11- Jesus asked his disciples to sell what they have and buy sword
Luke 22 -New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...22&version=NIV
36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one

12 - Jesus insult his disciples

Luke 24- New International Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...24&version=NIV
25He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!

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Matt. 1: 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting zto make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these ‎... مشاهدة المزيد‎things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, afor that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name 8esus,cfor He will save His people from their sins.”

where is the evidence of divinity of Jesus in this paragraph
i hope that you revise the following paragraph once again
Why do we have to consider Jesus as the Creator of this Universe or someone who is equal to GOD just because GOD had put His spirit in Jesus, and not consider the many others who carried GOD's spirit above as equal to GOD?

Others who carried GOD's Spirit in them:

Numbers 24:2 "When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the Spirit of God came upon him"
Judges 3:10 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him, so that he became Israel's judge and went to war. The LORD gave Cushan-Rishathaim king of Aram into

the hands of Othniel, who overpowered him

."

Judges 6:34 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet, summoning the Abiezrites to follow him."

Judges 11:29 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites."

Judges 14:6 "The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power so that he tore the lion apart with his bare hands as he might have torn a young goat. But he told
neither his father nor his mother what he had done."

Judges 14:19 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. He went down to Ashkelon, struck down thirty of their men, stripped them of their belongings and gave their clothes to those who had explained the riddle. Burning with anger, he went up to his father's house."

Judges 15:14 "As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the LORD came upon him in power. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands."
1 Samuel 10:6 "The Spirit of the LORD will come upon you in power, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person."
1 Samuel 10:10 "When they arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he joined in their prophesying."

1 Samuel 11:6 "When Saul heard their words, the Spirit of God came upon him in power, and he burned with anger."

1 Samuel 16:13 "So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

1 Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better." GOD HAS AN EVIL SPIRIT??!!
1 Samuel 16:23 "Whenever the spirit from God came upon Saul, David would take his harp and play. Then relief would come to Saul; he would feel better, and the evil spirit would leave him."

1 Samuel 18:10 "The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD??!!
1 Samuel 19:9 "But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp,..." ANOTHER EVIL SPIRIT FROM GOD??!!
1 Kings 22:23 "God sent LYING SPIRITS to lie to people" Does GOD lie?!
1 Samuel 19:20 "so he sent men to capture him. But when they saw a group of prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing there as their leader, the Spirit of God came upon Saul's men and they also prophesied."

1 Samuel 19:23 "So Saul went to Naioth at Ramah. But the Spirit of God came even upon him, and he walked along prophesying until he came to Naioth."

2 Chronicles 15:1 "The Spirit of God came upon Azariah son of Oded."

Ezekiel 11:5 "Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon me, and he told me to say: "This is what the LORD says: That is what you are saying, O house of Israel, but I know what is going through your mind."

Ezekiel 37:1 "The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones."

Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you (Mary), and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."
Luke 2:25 "Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him."